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Tuesday, November 08, 2005

Seizure vs Oslonor

The Arayan citizens are Persians, Kurds, Lurs, Bakhtiaris, Gilaki, Mazandranis etc. Iran points to a country but not a race. There is no Iranian race. There are different ethnic groups that live in Iran. All citizens of Iran are Iranians. Persians are an ethnic minority in Iran. Persia is the name of a country and a race too. Persia refers to the Aryan citizens of Persia or Iran. Persians is also used as a general category for all Aryans in Iran.

Are you implying the "Aryan" Kurds and Persians are essentially the same? That seems to be what you're saying. I would agree, but you claim otherwise in other places.

No. There are three phenotypes. Medes, Persians and Parthians.

Persians and Azeris: Officially Persians ar %50 of the population and Azeris are %25 of the population of Iran with 70 million people. But the reality is Azeris are %40-%50 of Iran and Turco-Persians who have both Persian and Turkish Azeri heritage are %%20 of Iran. Together Azeris and Turco-Persians are %60 of Iran's population. These two groups control the government and represent a majority of the population in Tehran. More than %50 of Tehran are Azeris. Persians are %30 of Iran. So clearly Persians are a minority in Iran. This fact clearly deviates from the standard conceptions about Iran.

Do you have any sources to back any of this up? I'm sure the CIA World Factbook numbers are far from accurate, but you yourself are not a good source. You're just some guy with a privately owned weblog.

Some sources in Washington related to US government state that.

But there some features related to Azeri appearance that looks Asian and semitic that is used by Hollywood to depict the Persians as Afro-Arabs.

Please define "Asian" and "Semitic". As far as Turkic-speakers go, akin to Anatolian Turks, Azeri Turks show little mongoloid admixture.

No. Not all Turks are related to mongols.

Persians do not have these features. One of these features are the Azeris hooked noses that they often show.

The "hooked" nose you're talking about is not a "semitic" feature exclusively.

It is very prominent wit Jews.

Persians do not have hooked noses as I will show you.

You show people who do not show concave noses, yes, but they by no means prove other Persians do not have such noses, nor that most Persians do not have concave noses.

Yes. It does. We are talking about phenotypes. Not people from different ethnic backgrounds.

But this fact is clerverly hidden by Hollywood and Persians are completely ignored. Instead Hollywood always employs actors with non-Persian features and presents them to the public as Persians. They also have created a race called Irano-Afghan group.

Who does "they" refer to in that last sentence? Hollywood didn't invent the Irano-Afghan subtype, Coon did.

Yes. That is correct. Coon did that.

The main feature of this so called race is that it is a hooked nose race.

It's not the main feature. It's one of several.

Well that is what hollywood is concerned with.

They add Persians, Afghans and Azeris and
Turco-Persians to this race.

No, "they" don't. It's one phenotype that all of those groups have within their variety of different phenotypes. It's more common than the rest, and this is what was recorded by Coon, but it does not at all imply that all of those people are Irano-Afghans. Most subtypes exist only partially anyway. Few people are fully text-book anything.

That was not a response to my text.

These are very different ethnic groups and this race can not explain the wide ranging physical appearances of these people.

It doesn't attempt to. That's your misunderstanding.

No. That is your misunderstanding.

This blog tries to clear that misconception.

One's things for sure: Coon knows Persians better than you do.

Do not be so sure about that. I have studied them for a long time.

Hollywood and Racism: Hollywood always mixes up Persians with Iranians assuming that these are the same people. That is not correct. An Iranian can be a Persian but it is not necessarily a Persian. An Iranian could be a non-Persian. Hollywood always uses Iranian as a synonym for a Persian. Iranians could be Azeris or Turco-Persian or Persians. These techniques of Hollywood on how Persians are portrayed in films is a part of the bigger problem how some people with positions of power are trying to use racism to promote their own agenda in US. Persians have no problems with Azeris. And Persians are not responsible for how Azeris look like. But Persians have to explain why Hollywood is bypassing the Persians and present Azeris as the real Persians. Persians are an extremely Non-Racist people. Persians are exactly the ideals that Hollywood claims to promote. But Hollywood by depicting Azeris as Persians in their films is promoting racism against all Iranians.

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